ron hubbard, the founder was on the run and he had a scientology navy. they sailed around the mediterranean and in the caribbean. >> stephen: is that why he dresd like thursdayton howell iii? [laughter] there's one thing i admire about him, lrh as we call him. he did not believe in paying taxes and neither do i. [laughter] he got in trouble for not paying taxes. how did he get out of it? >> well, he died. [laughter] >> stephen: that's the ultimate escape. >> that's right. [ laughter ] yes, but -- his successor david miscavige by 1993 scientology owed $1 billion in back taxes and they didn't have it. they had to get a tax exemption. they launched a lawsuit against the irs. they put private investigators on agents to see who drank too much, who was foolg around on the road. whatever the merit of the case was, those lawsuits were dropped. >> stephen: they got be officially in a religion and they dropped 24 lawsuits. >> exactly and called off the private investigators. >> stephen: one of the other things that appeals to me about scientology is that they are